I folks, good morning, happy to see that people made it out of Brussels to stroke
office or going around in the room, brings back happy memories of, it's not working, it's
like, brings back memories of, of Boston 2018 when we presented the study that I'm talking
about now, so this is like regurgitating, you could have already seen that talk, but perhaps
you did, perhaps you did not, why did we get that stage? Well, we did the study, I worked
for a foundation called Annellette Foundation, we were started in the 1980s in the same place
where Python was created, where the first scripted payment systems were devised, a small
research facility in the Netherlands, and later we became a public benefit organization and
we started funding people that do free-nope or software, open standards, open data, everything.
And together with another company, you may have heard of their famous for their hype cycle,
they also do research, and we did a study for the European Commission, because at the
time it was five years after Snowden, we kind of gathered, we needed to do something.
So there was ongoing research on internet protocols and how to renovate, but it really needed
to be renewed. So in order to do that, a plan was to file, and we were asked to do that plan
or actually there was a tender to do that plan, and we took up the glove and made it happen.
And so the plan of this talk is to quickly take you back to eight years ago, or seven
years ago, explain what was the thinking at the time, and then forward to where we are now.
So this is how we explained people, the first-generation internet, this is from a, from
a sitcom called the IT crowd, and they have a little box that says the internet, and somebody
breaks the internet, and people don't have an idea what the internet is. It is truly a galactic
thing. This is a rendering of all the network connections and all the networks. It's already
very old one. It's got a way we were more complex and it's all kinds of independent networks
that glue together. So it's not a coherent professional infrastructure. It's just some of
many independent things, and there's some things that are glue components that are bolted
on top. There's internet exchanges. These, these sit somewhere in the network, and people
exchange their traffic. There's name servers that you can ask where is the other computer. They're
spying equipment owned by various people, all kinds of CDNs, and all kinds of things. But essentially,
every node is just a node in an independent network. And it's really layered. So there's physical
connections. There's standards. There's a lot of code running on it. A lot of hardware,
and it meanwhile, now it's 50 years old. So when you want to change that, when you want to touch
the core of the internet, it means billions of billions of changes need to be made, and that needs
to be happening in a quite a coordinated fashion. And it needs to happen in things that
different never changed. So that's a bit of a thing. So at the time we've positioned this,
as this is kind of a moonshot, plus, plus thing. So these days, we have the billionaires saying
we go to Mars. That might be as insane as trying to change the internet, but changing the internet
is way more useful. It is the largest and most complex thing that we've ever done, as my
plan can. And we need to change it with all these people on board. And they bitch, if there's
a 10 second downtime in their TikTok video stream. So this is hypothetical stakes, high economic
stakes, highly critical users. It's overloaded with expectations from everybody. So we need to,
well, if you want to do this kind of research, we need to focus on what is mission critical. So
the design goals that we had was we wanted to create the main vision document for this next
generation internet initiative. The commission was not sure how much money was going to go in there,
but we needed to have a point where we could reference, then make sure that, well, the assignment
was make sure that we know what to fund. So the key funding priorities and then create a roadmap
to, for things to happen. And well, how do you measure success with that? Well, the goal is to
create technologies that are free, interoperable and open, and that we learn from previous things
and that we make sure that we understand how the whole system works. And well, it was a beast of
an effort. We spent a lot of time doing expert workshops going around doing a circus of
various communities, so the internet exchanges, the domain in people, the digital rights community,
the free no resource communities, etc. So they're all tapping into what they were doing and asking
them what is broken on the internet, what do we need to tackle? And of course, then there's a whole
pipeline of things that we're supposed to happen. So engaging these communities was, I guess,
a new thing, because normally it was consulting companies that were making a discrete report,
you get 300,000 euros, you sit down, you write something, and then it happens. But we want to do
differently. So we went to all of these communities to their events, talked to the people,
and we got also input from a number for the member states, just to get coverage on what needed to
happen. And well, that ended up with a vision, and this vision is kind of the beacon that which
we tried to structure the whole report is that it's really important that we change things now
that we get a solid basis because we might be stuck with it for a thousand years. So people don't
realize that the phone system was devised in the 1850s, and we stuck with that for well over one
and a half centuries before we got to dissolve it. If we don't dissolve the internet with all
its broken things, and at the time I gave the anecdote that one of the inventors of the internet
of in-serve came to the Netherlands to the scientific council of the Netherlands government.
Talk to our prime minister, talk to our ministry of economics, affairs, and ministry of defense,
I think, and two other ministers, and in this meeting he said, you know, when I devised the
internet protocol straight after the NSA came to me, he said, the internet, your internet protocol is
not secure, but well, design another one for us and don't tell the others. And that's in the
70s. So the back doors are the weaknesses, the open back was there from the beginning,
and people were just not designing for it. And this is what we put our kids on, this is what we put
our infrastructure on, and it's not has not fundamentally changed. So if we want to change that,
we need to make sure that not only do we change it, but also we make it more at a human scale.
So that it can be something that everybody can can securely live on. And of course, the first thing
is to do the internet is very fragile. We've seen over and over again, that things they stay up
miraculously, but that is because we've over-provisioned, but if somebody wants to really harm
things, you can bring down these wrong ideas that the internet is very robust. Well, if cloud
fair goes down, or if some big providers go down, all of a sudden none of your infrastructure
works, because there's a cascading dependency, and it happens to work right now, but it will not.
So we need to increase resilience. The second thing is there's a lot of components, and I'm talking
for instance again about cloud slayer. They're a man in the middle. They see what you do. They see
your customers and you don't. They know which people are aware. That's why they get to verify
who's a person who is not. They get to probe inside people. We cannot have that. It needs to be
transparent, and we don't have the luxury of allowing people to run opac, bainaries, binaries, that
well, that they control and we don't. So we want to increase this transparency and
trustworthyness. And of course, the openness of the system, we've painfully noticed that if you
leave, say, a social network to a company, that pseudo infrastructure can turn on you and
can become very dangerous. So if we want to create an open environment, we need to make sure that
that we work towards standards. So we did the situation analysis, and we made all these beautiful
theories about what needed to be done. Well, I guess this is the kind of
thing where you talk about an hour and everybody looks at it. And obviously, this is what happens.
These kinds of plans, you make them, but you can make them happen, because that's not how
the world works. The work works with where normal human beings, they have a certain scope of
in which they do things. And you need to respect that. So we went through this machinery,
and our targets was obviously the European Commission, who was the audience for this. They were doing
all kinds of things. So they were doing IoT stuff and thin tech and blockchain and all kinds of
things that we didn't want to bother about, but there's the internet core, and that was our primary
target. And of course, what we wanted to convey at the time was that priority is really important,
because you need to take everything into account. If you try to move a cohort, something is complex
as the internet, and something doesn't move. It's like getting your hair stuck in a machine,
and the machine pulls you in. You need to move everything at the right time, at the right place,
otherwise things are broken or get stuck. So we tried to fit this in with how this,
trying to sell how open source, free open source software fit into policies, and we made these
beautiful diagrams, and M-Mapings in charts and gave research topics, detailing this in great
with great detail, and well, let me forward to do you, because we learned
this Mapsidout. We gave a number of categories where we thought, this is where you
have money. These are the high level things that you need to focus on. Now,
that's where we presented your report, and then the party begins, right? All the kids get started,
start jumping, and we have money, the program start, the money starts flowing, and the European
Commission started putting out these funds. And this is an interesting mechanism, because you have
a plan, you announce what you want to do, you put a pile of money next to it, and then people can
come and ask for it, and you have to find the person you give it to, and then you transfer all
agency to them, and that's a big step. That makes it this a very important step. The people who you give
it to, whether if you can trust them, if they are reliable, if they have the right goals,
because you transfer the agency to those people. In the beginning, NGI wasn't even fully
open source, a free open source software, that only came after it was clearly proven that this
was the better method. And I guess the people that are here have seen NGI or have seen NGI 0,
it's become quite a big effort. It has hundreds of ongoing projects at the moment,
working on a great diversity of technologies, from Braille machines, to feeder composting tools,
to, well, you name it, anything that big tech companies make, there's probably a free open source
alternative in the making within NGI. And this kind of explains that there's a 10 layers going
from really not just the trustworthy hardware, but even the trustworthy tools to create that hardware,
all the way up to things like wiki data, wiki rate, open food facts,
software supply chain, and everything in between. So it's a significant beast.
NGI 0 is our little stake in the ground within that, so there were some tens of programs.
We run six of them, or we are running still a couple of them, they're still ongoing.
And this is kind of the timeline of that. So you see that we started with two programs in the year that the report
was done, and then tile-wise, more programs were added. And that's taken on quite a scale.
If you look at the numbers, then there's hundreds and hundreds of projects, and these are
ranging from things like Macedon, peer to pixel fed, Galline, Libre Office. So as you hear, these are
projects not just early stage, but also sometimes larger projects that already exist, but they
lack a certain functionality. And the thing that we do is we don't just give them money,
we also give them help with a lot of things that you expect things to carry. So you expect things to
be secure. So we have a security company auditing these things, whether they're secure. You expect
them to be accessible to people with disabilities. Obviously, if you're a great cryptographer,
it doesn't mean that you're a really good user interface is or making it accessible. So why do
you expect this for people if you cannot expect it from people? Same goes for legal stuff.
You might be a great hardware expert, but the site to erase the licenses in your repository,
because that's why keep old craft there. So we have all these people looking out
and helping these efforts. We take on these best practices, and we put them in a certain
place, you can look up it in a slides later on. And this is where I guess looking back on a report
that we did sketching out what should be done in 2025, the lesson in humility was the following.
What works best is not us determining what needs to happen. It is giving people the opportunity
to come with problems that they know about, but they have the talent and the time and the skills
to deal with and just allowing them to take it is on. And if people care about a problem,
they get solutions if they care about money, the solutions will never come.
So having a vision actually kind of really worked because we kept it very high level. We didn't
say you want that you have to do blockchain or you have to do AI or you have to do the specific
technology and then sink all the effort into into those. Everybody that yells a certain word
then gets money. All the solutions in there are real. And so it gives us an anchoring point to match
the hype of the day and the problems of the long gone past are still haunting us and put the
weight towards the latter. And there's obviously one important thing that you probably missed.
We love hecticers. And this is a thing which you see my laptop.
This is a side joke that we started. It ran completely out of control. So today we brought 200,000
plus hecticers to false them. And it's of course we adhere to the standard. And for us it's
actually also a symbol because if you remember the old laptops that people used to have
where every sticker was fighting for dominance, where every sticker was incompatible because
around stickers they overlap or they create gaps. And these things they actually are able to cover
and show that people can coexist. And if a project turns rogue, if all of a sudden,
so for instance we were funding a forged software where the people that were the temporary
stewards of the project for the year decided to take the ownership and put it in the
own company. And so we funded the fork that of the community fork instead. So it's allowing
people to the community dynamically exist and to change their behavior. That's very coexistent with
the idea that we all fit together. So come past our booties are all projects. I guess that shows
the kind of the success for us is the ability to take a whole field and make everybody work together.
There are so many cross connections that we see inside these programs. I'm looking at
some people in the room and I know that they're involved with at least 10 different projects
that they didn't work with before, but they got into touch with them and that it's really
spectacular to see how the compatibility of mind and the willingness to cooperate is eased by having
a funding program like ours. Obviously the programs that do this kind of thing, they can only
have meaning results if they have meaningful challenges and we have inside NJ0 now close to a
thousand projects by our own. I will just zoom in on two of them simply because we got a nice
cartoon of them. So if you think about the problem of Google forms and Microsoft forms,
kids in schools, or if you're an educator at school, they're organizing a field trip,
and you ask somebody, all the kids in your school to report what their medical problems are if
they have psychiatric issues and so on and just put it in a Google forms with that the people
going on school camp know and you put this in another jurisdiction. My heart breaks if you do that,
but it's the common practice in Europe and having a tool simply self-hostible tool that you can
put inside your school or have somebody host in a data center near you like you can put it in
the broom closet and for that data to be close to you I think that's a fundamental capability that we
have. Similarly, a lot of people may have for instance an account on LinkedIn or an account on
some social media and that's the only identity that they are known with. By most of the people
that they are in touch with, if that falls apart, how do you find these people somewhere else?
How do you know if the real Donald Trump is the real Donald Trump when he goes on singing?
So again, providing a tool where you use activity pub in this case, I use a verification
client side so this is the Duke of Key Oxide to make sure that you can find the same person everywhere
so that you have anchors so that we've want, that's robustness. If you want to have
only one anchor, then you go down with that anchor but we have multiple places where we can
find each other and we verify these things and all of the, yeah, we have a thousand projects ranging
from people designing FPGA tools, open hardware FPGA mobile laptop mobile phones mobile laptops
for instance there's a great crowd supply campaign going on right now you can still order this
beautiful open hardware laptop is modular you can take off the camera you can put in FPGA as
a module so you can you can make it run any anything and all of these small efforts if you look at
it at a great distance then you see a whole cloud of activity that would not have easily existed
like that. Now the elephant in the rooms of course you may have heard some people got really
worried that last year the press this was all over the press there was some leaks about the
upcoming plans for the next budget cycle and well there's a next political germ website wrote
the European Union does many good things that nobody notices one of those things is the next
generation internet program but they seem to be set on quietly ending the financial support so a lot of
people got really stressed about it including us of course so that was last year and
well that's kind of still the situation there's no official news yet the negotiations are still pending
but luckily there were a flurry of activity many people signed petitions published documents
and I want to really thank you for doing that because that really helps it really helps if people
get to understand the people that with the people I mean both the people in the member states
and the people inside the the European Commission but have to deal with this kind of thing it really
helps to understand that this is not a program I am not aware of any EC program effort
that has so many support messages from people on the internet just regular people have thought
you have done something useful for me the most of the time is like oh yeah it's there's just
agricultural thing and it costs 10 billion and nobody knows where it went but this is a small amount
of money but a lot of people care and that's really important in the meanwhile of course in other
news the European Commission sued its own data super protection supervisor because they said that
office 365 they could not be using it anymore the USA of course elected the new president this is also
a big thing I guess and there's some big tech company owners that try to metal with the democratic
process is in Europe so I think meanwhile now sovereignty has become a bit more of an issue but of
course we're still in the negotiation phase so the first thing I want to do because I I know this
there's a lot of anxiety for people people come to a say wow this is so horrible because anxiety
is so amazing and this funding will go away and then everything will be horrible and the plan will
crash down we are still in good this this is effects the future there's still significant budget
you can still come to us you can still do your projects we have the money on the bank so don't worry
but obviously in the end it will come and so we we do need to talk to our governments in every
member state and let them know that we care about this kind of thing and another signal that we pick
up is that the name NGI at least last year was on a trajectory to be deprecated so we had a good
run we had a vision there will be something else it may not have the same vision but for us we
will keep that vision because we believe it's a really good one and it also becomes clear that the
name isn't everything if the budget stays there but it's just renamed it slightly we focused
we'll have to work with it but but it won't disappear at least that's that's what it looks like
so now you're probably hoping that I will give you a lot of wisdom on what to do next
well I'll give you the high level content we need to steer out of the shit using our money
and using our brains and using our ethical compass if if some crazy president says I will
loop 500 billion of AI investment don't fall into the trap of all double you down on that that
would be a stupid dick move I personally don't think there's any other realistic move
than to get all the challenges out there so you don't build a European competitor to chip companies
or to cloud companies by putting in a huge political fund asking the obvious non-performing
candidates to take up that money and then run with it you fund the small people and you see what
sticks and you grow them and grow them and invest more in them so for me and GI needs to double
down on budgets and whether or not it's called NGO or not I don't care I do care actually
we'll we'll probably keep the name whatever happens as long as we get money
now we're not our news and there's some interesting opportunity coming up
end of this year everybody in a public sector is gonna have to switch computers so it's the
moment where the music starts again and everybody starts doing the chair dance and we might
lever that this is this is an opportunity people are gonna have to throw away good performing
laptops that are three four years old they're gonna make huge investments it's gonna this is from
the people that's invented something called recall I don't know if people came across that but
recall is when your computer makes a snapshot every so many seconds I think 30 seconds or so
feeds that into a local AI and stores that into a database so you can it knows what you've seen
so you can when you want to know what you see you can ask it what you've seen and of course
everybody that has access to that database can do the same thing and it's supposed to be only you
well we've seen that story before so let's think about the playbook and obviously if NGI cannot do
with research money maybe we can do it with operational money because there's plenty of that
and it's currently not spend very wisely and well if if you're suppliers the people that you
sell say a digital typewriter to you become the richest people on the planet and those people
reach a volume where they're Hector billionaires and start meddling with politics in the world
meeting up in places influencing things maybe that kind of wealth is beyond capitalism that kind of
wealth is a global threat and maybe we should think about how we how we deal with that and certainly
not feed the beast any further um there's this comment nobody ever got fired for buying
Microsoft and I think we should start talk about this because why is this the case and it's
by the way fundamentally known to be not true because there has been a lot of corruption
patience corruption cases for instance in Bulgaria where people were actually fired because well
they bought Microsoft while they shouldn't have they got a lot of money as a private person
and then of course when they were found out at least some of them were caught and put into jail
and fired hopefully so so we can't let's not ever say again nobody ever got fired for buying
Microsoft and let's start turning that around um because we need to foster democracy and
democracy is comes with not creating people that have a surplus of power and a surplus of resources and
we can get software as a service but we cannot get freedom as a service so by outsourcing this critical work of
for instance our office streets in government can you imagine to do negotiations with Trump while
everything you type ends up on his desk you're doing secret negotiations inside the Ministry of
Defense or the Ministry of Economic Affairs and your type getting Office 365 you're sending it
through outlook does that make sense is that what is your estimate of how you will get away with this
so by using the things that are called as a service it's actually a service and we should be careful
of it we hope that European Commission take leadership in this at least we have and that we as a
block economic block but also a cultural block we can resist the gun toting a ease of ease of use
money spending beast and and and and and create a future that is ours and that we own and for me
if I don't have AI tomorrow I think I'll live I think kids will be better off if they can still
five percent of themselves so well this is actually kind of a call let's bring our bids back home
and let's make sure that we tell everybody that is in in some sort of responsibility that we need to
get those things in our back into our own control and this is sovereignty is a very concrete thing
it means that nobody else gets a mess with you and nobody else to get to see what you do it's like
you close the door and it's yours because they'll collaborate because they'll use technologies
but we need those things back home so and with that we circle back this is the thing that
when I came at an outlet foundation this was our motto today we created an editor tomorrow and I think
it's not just the internet anymore it's a society of tomorrow if we don't do this now
if we don't take control and I think the Windows 10 11 as trivial as it sounds that
may be might be the gap that we have when the the radar shield or are they what you call the
invisible shield of the of the machine breaks down we can fly in and bomb the bastard out
so anyway that's that's it let's let's do Q&A though there's any
yeah no there's a okay
hey this is loud I'm Yana is a fitted test you guys funded us and you're doing amazing work
obviously so as first of all I think thank you for what you guys do because you worldwide unique
my question is this I think you're laying out an extremely compelling vision
the level at which an outlet in NGI has sort of operated in terms of the numbers
compared to the level at which you're saying the problem exists is sort of like one to a thousand
that about right how do we connect these two numbers but it's it's extremely different but
but I think and and this is a job that we try to do when we look at a problem we look at every
individual viable a part of it and look at try to see if a solution is viable in the long run
so it can be scaled up so one of the things that the European Commission has been doing is
doing pilots so the project that got 50,000 euros from us all of a sudden gets a factor
hundred more they so they get three to five million euros I think if you do that a hundred times
all the problems are there are many connected problems but they're also fairly isolated problems
if you have an open source kernel to work with a skeleton to build a thing around
or a seed to grow I don't know which metaphors the right one but it gives you something
viable there's life in it there it activity pub as an ecosystem for instance it can work it can
actually deliver so we need to work on UX so we need to make sure that installing the software is
easier so we need to work on interoperability but those are things that we can systematically do so
it's and I think one of the design choices is to be human scale so if there's a guy
called Johannes that knows how to do a certain thing you could give that guy Johannes a year of work
or six months of work and then that person can tackle the problem if he needs another help
he can get another person to work with him but it's weird if we're thinking about it's this is
an army of empowered individuals collaborating on large things and I think we cannot imagine
or we should not the the factor 100 I would say it's more realistic can actually come from other
people saying hey this is useful I want to use a form server and in my government we think this is
important so why don't we pay for getting the UX up the speed why don't we get one of our engineers
to work on this so society is well this and this is cost acceptance you see you you create a fire
starter from there on the fire should be well fire it should it should spread and the first community
we cannot pay everybody that does us and nor should you because people have responsibility of their
own to solve their own problems but we can create these fires left and right and make sure that
well if there's a forest fire what you need to do is preemptively set fire to some things in the
controls fashion so you create a corridor where a fire cannot jump across it's maybe that's a
good metaphor we need to make sure that we we first contain the problem stop even more
governments going to the cloud stop using getting deeper into software that we don't understand
and then from at the same time build things that can well replicate because that's a beautiful thing
about three-nope or software it replicates beautifully at almost zero cost and I think there's a
solution a single Macedon or go to social instance will not beat X but a hundred million will
and I'm convinced of that that fact that by showing what can be done and giving people the tools to do it
another good example is is efferoid so efferoid is an app store and unlike Google play
if you have an app you need somebody and you show the app you can actually give the app to the
person there's no app store needed so they are an app store but they don't want to be needed they
create inside their app the app store isn't app itself they create a tool to give you other people
apps and so you make infrastructure that is designed to not be needed and I think that mechanism
those that kind of thinking that can help scale enormously because then the the word of mouth
and the the feet of the people can can can go anywhere go places where you don't have
internet connectivity you're out there somewhere in Italy walking on a mountain you meet a person
you have a nice chat and you get the app instead without internet connectivity so
I guess it's the long haul we don't get the easy wind of let's create a local champion
but a local champion will be bought we had arm in Europe now it's soft bank and
all these things that you think we can we can have a shot at claiming this thing destroy the business
model commoditized to hell and just take back ownership email for instance is one of these things
that still is alive despite their being is being forced on U.F.A. by a Google phone you have to
take their email account while you already have that email account and still people are
persistently creating new email tools they're creating innovation they're creating I wouldn't
ever use a Gmail or mail account and I can it's perfectly logical for people and feasible
for people to do this so I think if we can create robust mechanisms that people can sell
for dots and at least be autonomous with then we can be sort of the refugee camp for when the
shit hits the fan for the other people that have gone all in on the other technologies I don't
know let's let's let's wind up
yeah again thank you Miguel for all course the work you guys do yeah big fan so I wanted to ask
about the windows thing now right so in October when all the windows can and live in like
everybody has to move who has a laptop so kiddies running a big campaign as to move what would
be the solution to let's stop the evas people throwing away their laptops and buying new ones right
and there's a lot of projects that you guys have run in the past right that also help in that effort
postmarko where's and everything that you guys have supported so do you think at least for the
authorities people in europe and union who make these kinds of decisions right can you can
at an internet or NGO you can run this kind of a campaign show them that you know these are
the projects that can help stop all this evas up to October and you know this is one initiative
that is the next resort when this happens right do you think we can combine and put in and
bring it towards their authorities I think I think we can the most important thing is to have
awareness and one of the nice things about NGO is that there's some unique vantage points where
you see a lot of things together I people tell me like I don't search the internet want to know
something cool I first go to a nail-lit website I look at the projects if there's something
there are notes vetted it works there's it's being monitored and it's up to date and only then I go
so there's a critical point a critical mass starting to create and that's why we shame
if the fire buys down because there's no fuel anymore NGO has become a hotspot of of aligned
people that are able to collaborate and projects are reinforcing each other and people tell me that
they call other projects and saying hey I'm I'm from this project and the doors open wider
then that would if that would have been a cold call so doing campaigns together is a logical
extension we don't yeah we're not a PR machine you know this we we stick to hex stickers
help unintended but doing campaigns I'm doing awareness together surely we can we can rally
people and if there's something happening we can send people to where it's happening so I
think that can be done but yeah it's it's a complex proposition because you may have a solution
direction but doing this for hundreds of millions of people is actually operational support
and operational support is one of the things where we would love to do it but it's an order of magnitude
higher or two orders of magnitude higher than our budgets allow us to go and it's not allowed to
our budgets so so hopefully the new Euro Commissioner of the Qunan who is responsible for digital
sovereignty allocates some budget to digital sovereignty and it's all about consistency
so if you do a proposal at the NellNet you can use open document format or PDF if I submit a
proposal to the EC I have to use word I literally get refused when and there's there's been
statements about this from the Commission a decade ago so no we do the open standards thing
but it's consistency if you do is if you say you do a standard you do a standard if there's a proprietary
product you you you you make sure that you don't favor the people that go the wrong way so
anyway that's wasn't even an answer it was an add-on you get it for free next question
hi I'm a student from the Czech Republic and I'm deeply interested in open source
and bringing the future you've described together but at the same time I have never heard of you
at Buntel now I've only got into this talk because I was in the hallway and I have never seen
outcomes of your work even though it seems like you do a lot of very good things so if two linked
questions how can I change that how can I change so more people know about this so what can I do
to help and yeah that's the other question what can I personally as a lowly student do to help
your efforts and to bring this wonderful future forth so so in your your very personal concrete
situation talk to the people from Bruno University or talk to the person next to you because she's
a country ambassador for NGI zero essentially what we need to do spread the word and create
mechanism and stickers take a lot of stickers home no but I guess the thing we we live by word of
mouth we're small foundation we're 11 people we do a lot we do hundreds of projects in 60 countries
but we don't advertise because that's not within our remit so what we ask projects leave a
small trail to us so when you see the repo you see funded by NL at NGI zero and there's a link
to it you click on it and then you end up in Nirvana you find lots of other cool things and at least
after if you've seen it if you don't click the link but you've seen it a couple of times then you think
maybe my project is suitable for that as well because there's the same vein maybe they're crazy
enough to fund me as well this all about we our funding is very much in the early phase so people
in your age category age bracket so to say where they have to make a choice and later on they can
start a business I mean Frank Arley check or from next cloud or other people that have established
business and have a huge team of course they operate at a different scale but we still try to
keep a feel with that but the people that we're aiming for the people are still happy with 5,000 Euro
grant to deliver to solve a problem if you know people that solve the best thing you can do is
if you know people doing something useful go to the and you see them struggling with I don't have
time to do this or help them write an application it takes an hour or so but for a lot of people that's
very high burden and then there's a political thing talked to your national contact point send them
a message saying hey there's a lot of stuff happening in Europe but this is something I care about
because they get the handful of messages it's it's it's like the school paper they are supposed to
sit in a meeting represent their country and there's 100 people contact them out of which 95 or
lobbyists from local companies if we can double that number by having 100 hackers contact them
that means that we over represent perhaps our importance in society but it's for a good cause so
maybe that's a that's a practical hint I think this is the last question anyone
thank you for your clear insane vision of the next generation internet and I want to add one thing
I think the next generation internet may be one of the non experts being active participants
so currently we have an internet of non
the next act to have their own bits under their own agency and not having to become an expert not
having to become root not having to know how to petition a disk and this is a still a big big challenge
how can you operate services with own full agency without having to be an expert and without
having to trust an expert that is such a good question it's so opportune because you remind
me of a thing that we put in in the original study and this is now materialized in something
called fediversity or is materializing which is a concept of service portability so a lot of people
have their their own domain name and they go to a host and company and then they get a WordPress
install and get email and so on or they've done that 10 years ago or 20 years ago and they're
still stuck with it because we don't have service portability so as soon as you have to edit the
DNS you're done and what we're trying to create is a hosting in a box that makes it possible for
people say no I don't like you anymore or I want that service and just click on the icon
auto configures and it stays up and you can take that configuration with you alive and wherever
and it's always optimist often it's declaratively configured it's based on Nick sauce but that concept
is indeed deployment deployment deployment deployment making sure that people can get it empowering
people and users to get these technologies because that's the critical problems that they they don't
times up come to the enella booth where we're on the on the second floor
and hi I'll for a great talk