I'm a random teacher in IOT. I had the chance to work with Arduino in the past. Now, I
collaborate with entity developing open hardware in GenCOSI Studio. But I teach and do interactive
physical computing stuff and basically try to give meaning to technology with surrounds
us and most of the time. Unfortunately, it doesn't take in account our point of view
to our technology. Events like PhosDem promote a very clean and mature approach towards
technology. So I really thank PhosDem to accept me here. When I applied, I thought I would
be given a very little room, but then they ended up giving this very big room. So, wow, thank
PhosDem. I love you. I tend to work with IOT. So, I ended up working with the smart city
concept at the beginning. It was, for the domotic, it was most of it. Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, for
wider ranges, Zigbee, or cellular. But then it came Laura. So, I started dealing with Laura
kind of long ago. When anything's happening in the last years, at some point, it was
a crypto based on Laura called L.U. My don't like to remember. Nowadays, we are kind
of in a mature moment of Laura and a lot of interesting things are happening. So, part
of these things are part of this presentation, which is not that technical. I mean, at the
end, we are getting a little bit technical. But it's more of a storytelling that explains
to the average Joe. It is an horrible way to explain it. All my personal. The average
Joe, what are we talking about when we talk about the Meshivers? I often recall, to my students,
this moment, back in the days, almost 100 years ago, when Guillermo Marcónia allowed the
pulp of the time to switch on the crystal of the interior. I think it's one of the earlier
examples of IOT because it was a push-button in Rome, the trigger crystal of the interior.
Actually, if you go to crystal of the interior, there is a statue of Marcónia because of
this. And I imagine the people of Rio, seeing switch. I mean, if they were told that this
was switched off by Pope, but the Pope, I guess, it was all over Globu and the main newspapers
in Rio at the time. They must have said that there was a, what they was to sell. It was magic.
So most of this presentation actually involves the concept of this technology that is always
getting more inside our life. And most of the time we don't understand it, that ends up being
magic. It is to me that I'm into technology. I wonder, how is it for an average person that
is not into all of these things? I often recall this moment we are leaving as a moment of, we are
unaware of being in a cyberpunk moment, in a cyberpunk life, in a cyberpunk era. Actually,
there are many shades of cyberpunk. I often go to Shenzhen, it's ten years, I go to Shenzhen,
and actually Shenzhen shifted to be a cyberpunk city. Now, it became a solar punk city.
Yeah, I mean, there are many different levels of good and bad we can experience, but the main
concept is that we are experiencing an ever-going offering technology. We have seen most of us have
seen the videos of CES, of the Sierra Las Vegas with all these robots, brings glasses,
whatever robots doing all sorts of things, vehicles, flying vehicles, whatever. So we are in this age
of super high offering technology, but the level of life is lower in down, at least in my
home country, which is easily, but I suspect it's kind of a common trend. And this is actually what
is this concept about a cyberpunk. So many are we living in a cyberpunk, this is not a
stupid question in my opinion. So the technology is outpacing social development. There is
an ongoing inequality. Corporations are becoming more relevant than states, not even just that,
but single people own more money than states, as we speak. It's not that it's going to happen.
It's like it's happening since several years now, and there is an increasing feeling of
obsolescence among people. So we are less intelligent than several AI's we can chat with.
So how long we're going to get old and we're going to replace it. Somebody has it's a fear
we have worse technology. And again, I want to end the line. Events like Faustem are fighting this
kind of fear, because our empowering us to be again author of the technology, to be put our hands
on insight technology without being held outside of the box. One of the things that is not in the
cyberpunk novels written by William Gibson, Bruce Berlin, and other major author is that the average
character in this novel is super aware about technology, but most of the people are not.
The most of my friends, they they call it's not that I hate them, but I'm very critical with them,
and I'm kept like I'm treated like the teamfoil hat guy, but they keep information from Facebook,
they share them on Instagram and they tell their friends throughout WhatsApp. So they live in this
wall garden and they are not even aware of it. So I mean, this is most of us in this room, they
keep on telling. You are the teamfoil people probably, but I want to underline this. Anyway,
Mondo Magazine in 93 was depicting this man of the future. Some kind we are something like that
nowadays, we go around with a lot of devices, but the main device we have is this tool, which is on
on this table right now. Most of us are carrying at least one of these, it's called Smartphone,
but it's not a phone at all. It's something that allows us to pay to express our level of citizenship
to do all kinds of things. And this underlines the way I was back earlier today in a
the Macedon conference and it was super interesting how Macedon and other tools are promoted by
you to substitute this wall garden approach, where actually we are exposed to several kind of
information rather than other. But again, the concept of cyberpunk megacorps is indeed real.
And this is legally speaking is not even legal, because actually I had this presentation in
Hungary in Germany and now in Belgium. And I found the same article in Constitution, which
is promoting the freedom of secrecy in correspondence. And that's what is not happening.
Right now, in the sixth of January in UK now you have some kind of check on your messages.
And this is the basic idea behind a law that is being proposed exactly in this town, by the way,
in Brussels about how we are going to be monitored. Apparently now is lightly changed. The
chat control is going to be you that you want to be checked. I still don't understand how this
is going to happen. But the concept that all of our messages are going to be checked is somehow
lies a little bit, but it's scary enough. I'm telling you this, because these are all the elements
that are promoting, have been promoting a lot, a new concept of communication. We're going to
see four of them, but the point is that I've been seeing this thing blooming, exploding,
and I didn't understand why, and I came to the conclusion. It was related to all of this
fear of control, fear of being monitored. Some people possibly the most paranoid of us are following
this, but some of you are possibly. This is related to another concept, which really
be ranged me, and I found it really interesting, and is a book by Janis Varufakis called
techno feudalism, and it depicts the shifting from capitalism or turbo capitalism of the late
90s, early 2000s, and how we changed using this portion network, so to say. So somebody really
made, I don't actually, I'm not 100% sure this is correct, but somebody really made
the feudal word versus the nowadays word, and they try to tie the levels, but at this stage
of my presentation, I do this exercise, the techno feudalist exercise, where I took this picture
from an old painting, from the feudalism, even the evil time, and actually these represents
in a way what happens. We are the serves. I am a content creator, I'm not even a content creator,
or from time to time, I share some videos, some pictures online, and whenever we do that is somehow
we are the serves to a person, an entity, a company, most of the time. There is giving us
the feudal medieval master some space for us to make some vegetables grow, something we can
we can harvest, which is our hedonism for some people that are gaining money from their social
sharing is there on money, and we share it with them. So actually,
we are basically harvesting hard drives, and we are turning a blank hard drive with our zeros
and ones in order to be coming valuable. I think this is a powerful metaphor of what we do
when we share this contents on somebody else's cloud. So I think what some initiatives are promoting
is a way to change the point of view, and the sharing in a different way, this kind of
of contents, which are also used by many other YouTube changes license, so now you can even
be your content and be used to trade AI. This is going through and gets even darker from time to time.
So there is this different, I guess the blockchain one is kind of correct, somebody may raise their hands
and say, no, that is not good, but I hope it covers in a very superficial and acceptable way
three different approaches. So today we are in this brief presentation, we can have questions.
I hope Liam from the reticulum meet up with yesterday's present because some people may have specific
question about reticulum, he can answer rather than me. But anyway, we are talking about this approach,
a distributed network. Each node is the same, so to say, so each one has the possibility to
host as much as any other, to be as much as any other node. And in a way, I have seen
this kind of experimentation, because when I start using meshtastic in my own town, nobody
used meshtastic, so I add the chance to test meshtastic in taz. What is a taz? Actually,
it falls in his taz, basically. It's a temporary retinomalous zone, and there is this American
philosopher, Hacking Bay, the growth of wonderful book in 1991, depicting the concept of temporary
autonomous zone. What is it? It's obviously a temporary retinomalous space, and it's somehow self-organized
and focused on experimentation, which is what we have seen in this space. It can be either physical
or digital, so I guess some discords, not very big discords or some telegram groups or some forums,
they may be a temporary retinomalous zone. I don't know too much as to how much extent temporary,
but they are autonomous zones and self-organized, and they are designed to dissolve in this
appear. So I have been going to this taz, and I have seen experimenting the use of these meshtools,
mostly that I'm a tested meshtastic. Now I've been testing a little bit meshcore, even though
in the places where I tested, there is not much people using it of next to nobody. But it was
really interesting. I met people, and I understood how people used it in many different ways.
These are all examples of taz. Some of them are events like related to code. Some other
are events related to dance, but they are, but some of them last one day, today is some of them
last week, but they all share this common feeling of temporary approach and sharing some
some house and secrets. It's a temporary private thing. It's an experience. You go back to
your place and you tell about it. So I'm besides being a workshop that teacher, I also
wearable computing workshop in one of these taz since 13 years. So at some point, I understood
that I was the one who could bring this meshtastic experience in those festivals, in those taz.
These up in two years ago. Basically, the old presentation is an assumption. You can be either
a festival-golder error that plays with innovation, or you could be an error that plays with innovation.
These are the two options that make you playing with these kind of new things.
You could be an error that doesn't do any innovative, you're free to do whatever you want of course.
So in 2024, I predict the experience to connect all festivals with place and antenna.
We place an antenna in the taller place, and then other things happen, because that year
of burning men, people started using meshtastic in a very heavy way. To the point that we're
going to see meshtastic develop a special firmware for a very high density event, because that
time, the work, the first time that everybody used the basic meshtastic. And last year, I went to
two festivals checking and also promoting this approach. And then I am here at Fazem. This is a friend
of mine with me installing an antenna in the tallest place of one of these event. It's also a YouTube
video, I jokingly made about this adventure, but there is a very big and strong community
that organize the communication using meshtastic at Burning Men. They also have very good
documentation, so if you are planning to camp with your friends, our good starting point is going
to Burning Mesh, because they have a very self-explanatory tutorials about how to create a camp
chat, because you can have a private chat, of course, not just this primary chat where everybody
is sending a mojji right now for them. And so, and then, I mean, which are the main reason why people
started using this infestity, but most of the time was not losing your friends. So, for example,
in 2024, this YouTuber self-made with a lot of radio and a little ESP32 board, this self-made
is on tracker. Without using meshtastic, it was something that was really failed from people.
And we started seeing a product sold in order to solve that specific problem, not using meshtastic
again. They were just solving that specific problem, so they were talking, they are on close network,
with their own specific protocol. So, this was interesting and allowed me to go to the Fusion
which is a very big, I think is the biggest one of the biggest festival in Europe in Germany.
And I brought this and I understood that it was German people who were using consistently
at Fusion Festival this kind of meshtastic radio. And this made me updating this presentation comparing
four different tools. Actually, they are all mesh, but they are not all using the same
same communication, because the first one, BChat, is using just the Bluetooth of your phone,
which makes it so perversive, because all of the people in this room, not just the one that
have a radio that they have to buy, flash it, understand. Now, everybody of you can download this app
from Jack Dorsey. And I don't particularly like BChat, but 1990 percent of the people that
knew this passion of me going to festival talking about this right, that they all told me,
that with the understood what you are doing, you install BChat and I said, no, it's not that
all this, but it's important how we perceive this, because all of the imaging, how many people
learned about BChat that don't even know about meshtastic. So, I wanted to add this tool and I wanted
to compare with the other. So, in order to measure how powerful, so to say are these tools,
avoiding to enter too much between the fighting that is now happening between meshtastic and
meshcore. And I don't know, I don't stand with none of the two, I'd be using a lot of meshtastic.
You'll see some of the projects that I made with meshtastic, but I don't have the, I don't have the
clue. I mean, I see a lot of people using meshtastic, and obviously, to me, it's a way to communicate
with other people, I don't know, but mostly, it's up to you. But anyway, the number of ops, the concept
of op is basically the number of meshtastic stays alive. You imagine the number of op is like
the expiry date of the yogurt of your meshtastic. Three hops, it means that it jumps three nodes,
and then it dies. So, it's shut and meshtastic, they have up to seven ops, which, which may sound
very low, but you have to understand that meshtastic allows nodes to have MQTT, so you can have a
node that teleport to you somewhere else. And most of the time, you edit the settings to have
three ops, rather than seven. To seven ops is a very heavy message. Seven ops gets
is heavy and so lowers down the speed of the network. But, for example, meshcore by changing
several parameters and chopping out several services or possibility, meshtastic was giving,
like telemetry, for example. They are now offering you up to 64 ops, up to 64 ops. I don't think
a standard meshtastic has so many ops. And then we're going to see that the column is the only
service that was either, I think, represented very good in this false them edition, because we had
free presentation about the article one, I think, is just finishing right now. So, there are
I'm going to send you the, there is a very good presentation, Liam, gave yesterday about the future
of the article, I think you should also check that one. It's very specific about the article,
but I think it was offering 124 ops, but is using all solar, it's also using other, it's,
I think the column is a protocol, it's a communication stack, it's a network stack. So, it allows
you to use Laura as much as other, as other two protocols. So, the first is a,
apparently, it allows you not from the, the, the app allows you just to chat throughout,
Bluetooth, to anybody else having the chat, you can also create private rooms, apparently,
we're going to see that some people are saying this private rooms are not that private.
The difference between the white paper, they published this project has seven miles,
super, super reason. And, and the offering of the app is kind of big, because they are offering
also to be sending an allowing you to send these messages using the nostril protocol,
which is a way to communicate privately online, so to say, in a very,
the way, but the app doesn't allow you to do so, but online, if you go to be chat online, you can.
I was amazed, preparing this presentation, I discovered that Bichot is heavily used in very
difficult situations, like in Gaza, or, for example, in Uganda, there were, I don't know if
you were, there were some election like three weeks ago, and internet was switched off, and a lot
I've seen this article going around, they internet a lot of people use Bichot to communicate,
without the internet. I wonder how this happened if you have the possibility to have 20 to 30
meters in an open round with the Bluetooth antenna, and you have three ops, you're going 90 meters,
60 meters, 7 ops, you're going to be 100 meters, so maybe during a riot is useful,
but I don't see, I think it can replace a communication chat as much as mechanistic,
can, or, or the other tools that we're going to see. And, so I was amazed by these news,
so I put it because, wow, I didn't think, it was possible. It's very common nowadays, it's
a trend to stop internet, this is a, in geoccal access now, they track specifically this,
and the internet was stopped last year, I mean, we're just about 20, 24, 1296 times,
and this is, this number is increasing, and you wonder, oh, this is happening outside of Europe
now, in 2017 or 1970, the internet was stopped in Catalonia because they were rioting against
the central state. Again, I'm not taking part in the Catalonia versus Madrid, the Castilla
fighting and the fact that Catalonia wants to take off Spain, but the internet was stopped in Europe,
so it's not that wrong to say that it can happen again. And this issue, apparently, a very heavy
issue, or I did, if you're going to be chat, this issue is, the one that says, possibly is not that
private because they tested that some of, sometime when you create a private group is, is actually
achievable, reachable from other, which had user. So, we, well, where is the beach at community?
I couldn't find, I mean, in, in, in the discussion, there is one discussion that was open
when it was lunch in August, or ready to people are saying that it doesn't work.
So, apparently, a group of developers are working for Dorsi, that is releasing and
updating the app, but we don't have, as the other tool we're going to see, a strong community
that fights for you, that is solving issues, that is meeting, that falls them, like, the reticulum
one did today, and yesterday, finding solution for the future. So, apparently, the chat is like
something that came from, from top. Then you master16, I think we all understood what
master16's about the Soy as about chatting through Laura, you can share several things as your
position, telemetry, you can use mqt75 to make your message be sent very far away using the internet,
using your own mqt75 tracker is gpL free, so everything has to be released open
source and publicly, and has a lot of things in the packet system in the messaging system.
So some of the people that are criticizing and we're going to see this after what we
talk about, the fact that the broadcast into many is easy. DM is difficult. When
is going to be used, the hiking in the sports, when you go in the field, you can set
up a temporary network, simply by turning on a little node that has days, hours,
today's of battery, or in emergency, like war zones, or simply privately talking to a
friends in a urban scenario, or in big events of festival, as we saw. We have several, I think
the Guinness World Record in a mesh communication is held by Mishtastic, is like 331
kilometers between Rieca, Abobri, Rieca, is a nice city in Slovenia, and a place
we above destroy our cuisine. So it works, actually, I mean, I have never experienced any
problem in the static not even in DMs. And we have seen several events that made
Mishtastic a very cool tool that made a lot of people far away from these topics, aware of
the need of Mishtastic, one of which was the big blackout in Spain, and a lot of communication
relied on Mishtastic, it's one of the case study, I brought not just me. A lot of people
brought, mentioned then this year in last November, I met one of the people that tried to
set up and restore communication in Madrid, and obviously, a lot of people are using
for IoT. Obviously, nowadays, I don't know if ice is, but a lot of police has
jammers. So if you jam on the 800, 800, 800, 800, 800, 800, I think Mishtastic is not going
to help you, but we have been seeing a strong use of Mishtastic in riots, when the rioters have
a variety of course. So this makes us another interesting topic, and another interesting term,
Shanzaiism. So Mishtastic is developed by a team in USA, and there is a very big community,
and they just released what they need in a radio. So I don't think, I don't think Mishtastic
contact any Chinese producer to make our own radio. I don't think maybe it happened. Mishkor,
again, is a British or British offer similar to Mishtastic, they didn't neither connected
or communicate specifically to a producer, or maybe they did with one. But this is where Shanzai
enters in the room. Shanzai is a very interesting term and concept in Chinese production.
In Shanzai, in Chinese means a castle on the hill, but a Shanzai producer is a term that was used
as an offensive kind of a fancy term at the beginning of 2000. Now I think is a compliment,
when you start producing something that is closed to something by you, you add elements,
you add things like an example of Shanzaiism is this phone, they added the television
communication. So you could see television on a phone, but nowadays Shanzaiism means that
they understood that this was interesting, they being several Chinese producers in Shanzai.
And they started pushing products that were compatible with Mishtastic based mainly on ESP 32 chipset
and Nordic one. So we've seen all kind of creative things. We have, we have keyboard,
things we have artistic PCB running Mishtastic or Mishkor because they are, you can like flash
is the same concept or we have static nodes that are solar power or nodes that are meant to be put
on balloon, balloon, balloons or on drones to create a temporary network. So this is really interesting.
Most of the time you use a node and you connect it with a Bluetooth, with a Bluetooth app,
but these other nodes with the keyboard look in like a little bit the black barrier experience
are becoming really popular because allow you not to use this smartphone and you can simply
chat chatting with your friends using. So this is okay. So one of the things I really like
on Mishtastic is the custom feasibility software. It offered and maybe is paying for this.
It offers so many solutions. I played a lot with the fact that you can create devices that
allow you to create bots of the Dom Mishtastic. So you can create a bot of the Dom Mishtastic node.
I really is actually a little example is not even a framework. It's several examples you can
follow if you're using a SP32 board that allows you to control and trigger server motors,
turn on light, read the server sensors. Apparently it's very difficult to port this to Mishka because
the effect exactly what they didn't like. This kind of communication that was full feeling the bandwidth.
I also create because of the problem you are going to experience when you use Mishtastic
is that if you are not receiving the message when it was sent you lost the message unless
several store and forward settings are enabled. So in order to solve this problem I created this
little printer that prints everything going on in the channel. And then in order to make Mishtastic
more understood somehow by users. I created this game. It's like an escape room game but for
an event we maybe next year I bring it to for them where people use to solve quests interacting
with the people of the event like the stands using radios. So this was my friend Andra Khuzuma from
Indonesia is a friend of mine helping me out in this project and then we did in November.
This was one of the map of one of the paths somebody had to solve but the point was
putting these things in a n-course situation when they have to deal with people they don't know
in order to fight their shyness. So to say, well, what cool experience I had lately using Mishtastic.
So high density event, most of the time I would have seen on rabbit request special
firmware. This happened in Burning Man also a deathcon this year and this is one of the reason
why Mishtastic is one of the reason why Mishtastic was born. So just to close Mishtastic communities
I think the only cool community I've seen on rabbit is on Mishtastic is on rabbit. If anybody else
here has cool local communities I can update this page of the presentation.
And then we reach Mishtastic. Mishtastic is very similar to Mishtastic but they chopped out several
things in order to make the protocol working better. We are going to see a table where we compare
several things but the main concept is that in Mishtastic we previously came, let's say we want to
bring Mishtastic to Foss Dam. We are using Mishtastic right now to Foss Dam and we didn't experience any
decreases. If you were to use Mishtastic in Foss Dam in their idea, you should have like a static
node, a big static node, maybe 60Di antenna. The one that makes the 20 kilometer circle around
sphere which you are on Mishtastic. It's a router and you use that in order to communicate. So this is
kind of the difference. It's a little bit more in the presentation here, a stable backbone.
So there are several places. Is used is meant to be used in a urban area where supposedly
with Mishtastic you have a lot of nodes and Mishtastic is got lost. In a urban area with Mishkaur you
should be able to see all your messages be received. That's their challenge. Actually nowadays there
is this big, big plane between the two communities to the point that if you go to red it on Mishtastic
which is the main community of Mishtastic and you write the word Mishkaur you are banned. Wow. They should
talk, I don't know, or many Mishtastic should add some of the feature but in this long list the
most important thing is packet propagation and all of control. So the fact that how the things are
are announced and how the packets are sent, these are the two main differences and actually
the way Mishkaur sends the packets is more related and more close to the water reticulum does.
So these are the two main things. Everybody playing with Mishtastic could play with Mishkaur.
The big difference is when you have to flash a Mishtastic device, you flash one firmware and the
device can become anything. I mean on this device if I open it there are the solar panel and
then then I can put a big antenna and it can become a polar node, a big node or it's just a portable
Mishkaur in the download and in the firmware process you have to choose which is going to
become this node. So it's more complex thing. I think if you want to start playing, start with Mishtastic
and then understand which are the differences between Mishtastic and Mishkaur but the community is here
only enough. I discovered that Mishkaur I'm not a Facebook fan but there is a big community
on Facebook and then there is NDKB which is this youtuber, British youtuber that is behind the
core with other people that is releasing a lot of Mishkaur related stuff throughout by
me a coffee slash repo beads and then of course there is the reddit that I did five.
We are reaching the end of this presentation up not you bored too much. We are reaching
reticulum. So I deeply have to thank Liam yesterday morning yesterday we had this present day.
Liam are you in the room? Maybe no. I discovered a lot of new things about the
important thing yesterday. So it's a complete network stop, start network stack like Mishkaur
and Bitschat is MIT license with a specific edit to the meat license which implies not to be used
in not to be used to to create arm to anybody. So you cannot be used in any worse situation
and you cannot be used to train AI. Apparently these two edit in the MIT license prevents
the distribution of reticulum throughout the day beyond alpine and asteroid. I wonder why but maybe
I'm naive but it's so. Yesterday actually if you take a picture of this slide you can reach
the presentation of yesterday. Liam really shared his slides are very very good slides about
just reticulum and during this presentation I discovered that Mark found that over a ticulum
stepped back last month. So this is one of the reasons possibly well I don't think it's a reason
because the application for this event closed long ago but the free events we had about reticulum
during this post them were about the future. How is this going to evolve now that the main founder
left and there are seven six different implementation or five different implementation
of the original branch made by Mark. As you can see choose your own favorite language and you
can contribute. Again thanks to Liam for the presentation here yesterday. Some of these slides
were updated by by watching his presentation and making question to him. Oddly it's very odd that
I'm not following that I wasn't following that much the matrix channel of reticulum but I'm
really attentive about the topic and read it and I wasn't aware of the fact that the founder came
so possibly there wasn't a public communication of it. Anyway when you play with reticulum there are
two main ways just to close the reticulum story. One is using this best top up claw or called
meth chat is developed by Liam Kotel which is one of the developer of Nashville by the way.
And the other is super new if you're an android user you should be like having a blast using
columb who is who is basically a client for android of reticulum and well as everything you can
even hook up a node what is an R node I'm going to show you okay this is mess chat just a few
quick thing and then we're done you can ask question and so well there is a network visualizer
is going to take some time to these are all the nodes I am hooked up with right now there are
I had these nodes in the interfaces so the big red one are the bigger nodes are in this list over
year. I can message people if I know their address and as you can see I'm announcing myself so the
people know that I am I am lying two more tools that are into this client for desktop client for
reticulum one is this nomad network two basically this is like a BBS I wonder if it's going to
upload because I'm on my phone I'm not even connected so yeah I'm not going to work
one second maybe it's going to work during the questions yeah yeah it's not so one of these is if
if it would be working you would see several internet pages made of text a lot of them were in
Italian which was really strange to me wow but very very from all over the world it's very kind
of interesting how this approach is used the other thing is there are not flashes so if you have
one of those radio you're playing with with mechanistic and mesh core you can flash it using this tool
and use basically it as an interface so these messages if you take off the internet
connection like like I'm now by the way you can check with any other node having obviously the
Laura on because basically the protocol can use Laura to to to send messages so just to finish
the presentation you can enter in the communities which are really really active of reticulum
using this link of metrics or the zoolip apparently they were promoting zoolip because it's
less less noisy and I think I'm done so if you have any questions or if you want to share
your experience as well I know there are many users here with plastic pretty too to add your
so thank you very much David for this very insightful talk and all the work that you do
before we do the Q&A as short announcement we need to clear this room before 6 or 450 so everyone should
leave only through this door please don't use this door only through this door and if you want to
talk more to Davida you could go outside the building and talk and that's mainly because we need
to clean this room and prepare for the closing I think the mother's going okay it's okay it's okay
thank you man thank you very much thank you
thank you
that's all I need
Miyaki
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